SpaceX's Financials Leaked: Is it Worth $2TN | Meta Debuts Muse Spark: Are They Back in the AI Race?
Jason Lemkin, Rory and Harry argue over Anthropic's Mythos cyber model (rifle vs machine-gun metaphor), Dario's 'boy who cries wolf' fatigue, why every public SaaS 60%-solution agent is a death spiral, whether SpaceX at a $2TN IPO is priced beyond reason, and whether Meta's Muse Spark from Alex Wang's new lab signals a comeback.
Key points
- Mythos, Anthropic's new cyber model, found thousands of zero-days autonomously and was held back from public release. Rory's analogy: it's not that older models can't find these — it's that Mythos does it at machine-gun pace agentically, across whole codebases, for about $20k of credits per run. Rifle vs machine gun from WWI.
- Immediate consequence: every AI-built app with weak auth (MyFitnessPal/Calai was breached 2 days post-launch — 3.2m records, no Firebase auth) becomes trivially exploitable. Expected transition phase of worse security before it gets better; security vendors who step up win, ones that don't die.
- Jason Lemkin's public break with Dario: 'I can't open the Strait of Hormuz myself. Enough already.' Framing him as the boy who cries wolf — endless apocalyptic marketing is fatiguing and net un-inspiring, even if sincere.
- Rory's counter: grandiosity is a rallying cry, not a prediction. Elon at IPO said we're going to Mars and then said 'we're going to the Moon' in the S-1; the vision sustained the mission. Dario's doomer rhetoric + mission clarity is why Anthropic has zero churn and a $30B revenue line.
- Trainium share: Anthropic trained parts of Mythos on Amazon's Trainium chips. Amazon's Trainium business is ~$20B ARR, triple-digit growth, largely internal (Amazon buying its own chips instead of Nvidia). Nvidia's fortress has a 10% dent — material, not existential.
- **The 60%-solution SaaS death spiral (Jason's thesis for this week):** every public SaaS vendor is shipping 'fine' in-product AI agents that are ~60% as good as standalone tools like Claude Code, Replit, Lovable. Problem: you cannot charge extra for a 60% solution. Customers will use it for free but won't pay $60k more for it.
- If you can't charge separately for your agent you don't get revenue reacceleration. Without reacceleration, SaaS companies move into the 'deep value play' bucket at ~8-11x forward P/E — the IBM trajectory. ServiceNow, Salesforce etc. are implicated.
- Public-markets illusion: you can't currently buy the growth story. The trade is 'sell SaaS, buy semis' because Anthropic/OpenAI aren't public yet. Once 5-6 AI-natives IPO, the relative-value math becomes real and some SaaS incumbents may re-rate to their cash-flow value plus optionality.
- Salesforce's $25B buyback is critiqued: financial engineering on a spreadsheet is worth little against the product problem, and the flexibility of that cash in a possible 2027-ish bust (when broke AI-natives need capital) would have been the smarter play.
- SpaceX at $2TN IPO: 'the most expensive IPO at scale of all time.' Elon discount rate is 0, Elon probability-of-failure rate is 0 to get there — the episode is sceptical.
- Meta's Muse Spark is Alex Wang's first model out of the new Superintelligence Labs. Discussion whether it signals Meta is meaningfully back. Short version on the show: clarity + product moat still favour Anthropic (enterprise) and OpenAI (consumer) for now.
Notable quotes
If your agents are only 60% as good, you're in a slow death spiral.
I don't buy Dario anymore. He may well be the second greatest founder of all time behind Elon. But I am just so burnt out of the boy who cries wolf.
I can't open the Strait of Hormuz myself. I can't do this. Enough already. Let me just use my tokens.
Prisoners don't create growth. No one's excited to cross the moat except the folks that want to breach the castle walls.
The Elon discount rate is 0 and the Elon probability of failure rate is 0 to get to 2 trillion.
Themes
- Cyber's machine-gun era
- Dario fatigue and the inspiration deficit
- The 60% SaaS death spiral
- SpaceX at $2TN — what the Elon discount rate prices in