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The Twenty Minute VC

Anthropic Files to Go Public | Cognition Raises $1BN at $26BN Valuation | The 996 Work Ethic

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20VC roundtable — Harry Stebbings with **Jason Lemkin (SaaStr)** and **Rory O'Driscoll (Scale Venture Partners)** — recorded the week **Anthropic raised $65BN and filed to go public** and **Cognition raised $1BN at a $26BN valuation** (Devin at **$492M ARR**). The throughline is the death of the private-is-cool consensus: *'we are done with the ooh, I don't want to do the public market. Staying private is cool. We are done with that.'* O'Driscoll counts the supply: **Google announced an $80BN equity raise, SpaceX has formalised its price at $1.75 trillion for early June, and Anthropic + OpenAI both signalled October — roughly $300–400BN of equity issuance across four names, all AI-related.** His structural worry sits underneath the euphoria: *'all these businesses have gone from capex-light cash-flow machines to capex-heavy cash-consumptive machines,'* and *'across history, things that eat money tend to be bad investments.'* The most load-bearing thread is the **token-spend reckoning** that [the prior issue flagged as live](/issues/2026-05-31): enterprises *'cranked in Q1'* and the *'penny dropped'* by mid-May when accruals came in **10x** over budget. Uber's response — **~$1,500/engineer/month, about 10%** of a $200K salary — frames the single number the whole panel circles: the **token-to-engineering-salary ratio.** Lemkin's call is blunt: *'I really do think by the end of the year we're going to choose tokens over humans for engineering and product.'* O'Driscoll's counter is the trade: if that ratio is **10%**, a $1T Anthropic *'could slow down a little bit for a year'*; if it's **33%**, *'buy at any price in the IPO'* — and one in three or four engineering roles gets replaced, getting you *'to 4 trillion two years from now.'* On SaaS: the apocalypse over-corrected (Twilio, Okta both **+57% YTD**, Datadog **+100%**), but **AI software spend is up 60% this year (Gartner)** and *'has to be cut somewhere else'* — human per-seat software *'really is dying.'* On legal: **Kirkland & Ellis's ~$500M ($100M over five years) own-model build is <1% of an $11BN-revenue firm** and *'a slight'* dismissed as defensive theatre. The contradiction Lemkin and O'Driscoll keep returning to: a Valley building toward mass white-collar automation where *'every single person… I've never worked this hard.'*

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We are done with the, ooh, I don't want to do the public markets thing. Private is cool. All these business have gone from Capex Light cash flow machines to Capex Heavy Cash consumptive machines.

Rory O'Driscoll · 0:40

I would quit as a developer. If you told me I could not use the model of my choice, I would quit. I really do think by the end of the year we're going to choose tokens over humans.

Jason Lemkin · 0:50

SpaceX has just formalized its price at 1.75 trillion for early June. And you know Anthropic and OpenAI both said we're probably going to do roughly the same in October. So you're probably looking at across those three, four names including Google, 300 to $400 billion of equity issuance. All of which is really AI related given the SpaceX as one so grabbing big piles of cash while they can.

Rory O'Driscoll · 15:44

Cognition raised a billion dollars at a $26 billion valuation. Devon, their core product hit $492 million in ARR incredible growth with some mega customers Some of the largest enterprises in the world.

Harry Stebbings · 30:02

I had two of my fastest growing portfolio companies say they already blew through their budget this year. So it's not just the big guys, right?

Jason Lemkin · 35:44

an opus is like a buck. Okay. It could be more, it could be dollars and at the low end it's 50 cents. You can't do 50 cents for a chat, for every single chat or a dollar.

Jason Lemkin · 41:09

This is the number that I most want to understand over the next. And it's the first question I usually ask on my VPs of engineering. How are you thinking about it? What's working, what's not? Because this is the number that will determine is $1 trillion a fully priced company that could slow down a little bit for a year while digest. Or is it, oh my God, no one's even going to pause for breath. We're just going to keep rolling the shit out. It's going to eat one third of engineering salaries and that's going to get you to 4 trillion by two, two years from now.

Rory O'Driscoll · 49:43

If everyone doing auth that's a private company's blowing up, they should blow up too, right?

Jason Lemkin · 26:08

You'll always pay the premium for that, for that high level judgment on mission critical things.

Jason Lemkin · 1:09:53

Menlo will make $10 billion in carry spot will too. Plus Founders Fund will make more than that from SpaceX. When you have such huge amounts of cash coming to a team. Humans are humans. They go off and do their own things. It does change structures of firms.

Harry Stebbings · 1:25:00

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