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All-In Podcast

Trump-Xi Summit, Benioff: Not My First SaaSpocalypse, OpenAI vs Apple, Multi-Sensory AI, El Niño

1h 16m · Transcribed via assemblyai · Watch on YouTube

Sacks out; **Benioff in as guest** ('I'm not a Democrat — I'm an American'). Covers four headline themes: (1) **Trump-Xi summit** — first Trump-Xi face-to-face since 2017. Polymarket 'China invades Taiwan in 2026' = 6%, 17% by end-2027. Big sales delegation (Cargill, Visa, MasterCard, Boeing, Nvidia, Qualcomm). Chamath frame: 'they're carving up the world — China steps back from Latin America + Middle East, US relaxes on Asia-Pac.' Friedberg's Taiwan call: **'I think 18 months from now Taiwan is no longer an important conversation'** because TSMC Arizona + Huawei mainland fabs make it less strategically critical. (2) **Benioff on 'not my first SaaSpocalypse'** — Salesforce down 37%, ServiceNow -42%, Workday -45%, ~$180B of market cap gone. *'Software market re-rated. HubSpot at 2x sales — I've never seen that before. Salesforce at $46B revenue, $16B cash flow, 83,000 employees.'* Disclosure: **'I'll probably use $300M of Anthropic this year at Salesforce.'** Massive Salesforce buyback ($50B). (3) **OpenAI considering suing Apple over the Siri partnership** — Apple won't promote, users have to say 'ChatGPT' explicitly, OpenAI expected billions in subscription revenue that hasn't materialised. Sub-text: 'doesn't seem to be a lot of long-term partnerships with OpenAI' (Friedberg). (4) **Mira Murati's Thinking Machines real-time multi-sensory world model** — every 200ms uploads webcam + desktop + voice to two models in parallel. **'1000x token consumption per knowledge worker if this becomes the default work mode.'** Plus: **El Niño 2026 is forecast to be the most severe in 150 years** — 11M extra terawatt-hours stored in oceans = 500 years of human energy.

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I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Republican. I'm an American.

Marc Benioff · 1:50

It's not my first SaaSpocalypse, honestly. The software market's re-rated. HubSpot at 2x sales — I've never seen that before.

Marc Benioff · 35:50

I'll probably use $300 million of Anthropic this year at Salesforce. Coding. Everything's going to be cheaper to make.

Marc Benioff · 49:40

I think 18 months from now Taiwan is no longer an important conversation — TSMC Arizona is running and Huawei is mainlanding. We're 1-2 nanometers away from what we need Taiwan to do for us.

Chamath Palihapitiya · 29:10

There doesn't seem to be a lot of long-term partnerships with OpenAI.

David Friedberg (very generous understatement) · 56:40

The low end of the market is basically finished. There is no safe space. But the high-end where Mark operates, where the monoliths operate, is quite safe.

Chamath Palihapitiya · 45:00

There is 11 million extra terawatt-hours of energy stored in the oceans right now. That's 500 years of total human energy consumption.

David Friedberg · 1:12:30

No hands on keyboard anymore. Most of our engineers just speak — foot pedal plus Whisper Flow plus talking.

Marc Benioff · 59:10

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