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Lenny's Podcast

The most rational take on AI you’ll hear this year

1h 19m · Transcribed via assemblyai · Watch on YouTube

Benedict Evans (ex-a16z house analyst, now independent) on Lenny's Podcast, off his new 80-slide deck *AI is Eating the World*. The throughline is a deliberate de-escalation of the hype: **'AI is as big a deal as the Internet or mobile and only as big a deal as the Internet or mobile.'** Both halves matter — it changes everything, but *'if you're going to make the Internet comparison, it's like we're in 1997. Like, it's very exciting. Most stuff kind of doesn't work yet. Most of the stuff that people are going to do hasn't been built yet.'* His own summary of the deck: *'80 slides of saying we don't know.'* The load-bearing investment claim is a **direct commoditisation thesis on the model labs**: models show no network effects, so *'you should have competition indefinitely'*, and therefore *'why would the model companies have pricing power and wouldn't all the value be further up the stack?'* His structural call: **it ends up 'looking more like cloud than it looks like Windows'** — the foundation models are *'undifferentiated commodity infrastructure providers'*, and on Sam Altman's meter-it-like-electricity line he is scathing: *'my dear sweet child, you need me to explain the margin structure of the utility industry to you.'* He grounds it in telecoms — mobile data is up ~1500-2000x since 2010 yet *'the stocks have gone nowhere in 25 years because it's an ex growth, low margin commodity utility.'* The today-vs-steady-state distinction is the key nuance: the OpenClaw user who *'spent one and a half million dollars on tokens last month'* is *'like somebody getting like a 50 grand mobile data bill in 2010 that's temporary.'* This is the **anti-bubble-on-margins counter-weight to the rest of this week's cohort**: where [Laffont sells the $4T IPO wave](/issues/2026-06-07) and the [20VC roundtable](/issues/2026-06-07) debates 100x-sales multiples, Evans says the buyer ends up disciplined and the premium erodes. On jobs he is flatly anti-doomer — *'You can't look at a senior partner at a law firm and say, well, 17% of their work could be automated. This is horseshit'* — and on Dario specifically rejects argument-from-authority. Even the bear case has a floor: *'you don't have to believe in any of that stuff to believe that this is a giant deal.'*

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My most controversial opinion is that I think that AI is as big a deal as the Internet or mobile and only as big a deal as the Internet or mobile.

Benedict Evans · 0:00

If you're going to make the Internet comparison, it's like we're in 1997. Like, it's very exciting. Most stuff kind of doesn't work yet. Most of the stuff that people are going to do hasn't been built yet. And it's not really clear how any of it's going to work when it does work.

Benedict Evans · 2:51

I just published one yesterday and one of the comments was Benedict, this is 80 slides of saying we don't know, which is like slightly facetious, but also kind of true.

Benedict Evans · 4:49

Why would the model companies have pricing power and wouldn't all the value be further up the stack? Aren't you basically have you got like three to six companies selling a commodity at marginal cost

Benedict Evans · 35:48

It should end up looking more like cloud than it looks like Windows.

Benedict Evans · 38:53

They're undifferentiated commodity infrastructure providers.

Benedict Evans · 40:11

My dear sweet child, you need me to explain the margin structure of the utility industry to you because guess what? When you watch television, the TV company isn't paying a percentage of your monthly bill to the electricity company.

Benedict Evans · 32:52

The stocks have gone nowhere in 25 years because it's an ex growth, low margin commodity utility where they're selling this objectively amazing piece of global technology infrastructure that has enormous complexity and enormous sophistication.

Benedict Evans · 34:05

The model is just like the dumb thing underneath

Benedict Evans · 46:57

You can't kind of look at a senior partner at a law firm and say, well, 17% of their work could be automated. Like, this is horseshit. You can't do that.

Benedict Evans · 1:03:02

Before Excel, junior investment bankers worked really long hours. And now, thanks to Excel, Goldman's associates, all the work at lunchtime on Fridays

Benedict Evans · 13:57

You don't have to believe in any of that stuff to believe that this is a giant deal.

Benedict Evans · 29:27

Distribution of an adequate product, when the field is basically commodity distribution on brand become a big deal.

Benedict Evans · 45:29

A huge difference between being right and being early. And there's a huge difference between the right company and the right price.

Benedict Evans · 41:20

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