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AI era skills: Why cultivating agency matters more than job titles | Max Schoening (Notion)

1h 27m · Transcribed via youtube_fallback · Watch on YouTube

Max Schoening (Head of Product at Notion, ex-design/engineering at GitHub, Heroku, two-time founder) — possibly the **deepest single AI-era role-design discussion of the year.** Same operating thesis as Lütke/Foroughi/Chesky/Lemkin this week, but from a builder/designer angle. **Six themes converging across the issue:** (1) **Agency is the new differentiator** — 'even if you have all the skills at your fingertips, what matters is agency. Drive Notion like it's stolen.' (2) **First 10% of every project is now free; last 10% is still 90%.** No more PRDs — demo, not memo. (3) **'People-managers-only will not survive AI age'** — second voice this week saying this (after Chesky). (4) **'There will be no apps in the future — only agents'** — also Chesky's line this week, said independently. (5) **Software is eating the world is *accelerating*, not pivoting** — AI doesn't make sales/HR/marketing dramatically better; it makes those people *write software* for themselves. 'When labs claim progress in non-coding domains, they just applied coding principles.' (6) **Tiny-core product thesis** — Heroku = `git push heroku master`. GitHub = pull requests. Notion = blocks + slash commands. Dropbox = the menu-bar icon. 'Add one more thing' never works. **Hot take: 'We already have universal basic income. It's called knowledge work.'**

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Even if you have all the skills at your fingertips, the thing that matters is agency. Drive Notion like it's stolen.

Max Schoening · 1:10

The first 10% of every project are now free. The last 10% is still 90% of the work.

Max Schoening · 30:50

People-managers-only will not survive the AI age. Every manual human intervention in the software factory should feel like a bug.

Max Schoening · 41:40

There will be no apps in the future. There will be agents.

Max Schoening (the same line Chesky said this week) · 35:50

When the labs say they've made progress in non-coding domains, they just applied coding principles to that domain. That's what AI is getting better at.

Max Schoening · 50:00

Every great product has one tiny core that is exceptionally good. Heroku was `git push heroku master`. GitHub was the pull request. Dropbox was the menu-bar icon. Adding one more thing never works.

Max Schoening · 1:10:00

We already have universal basic income. It's called knowledge work.

Max Schoening · 1:05:00

Taste is being able to run a virtual machine in your head — given an idea, predict whether your in-group will like it. It's just reps. Like training a model.

Max Schoening · 1:16:40

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